Chuck:
I read your response to my posting, and I just have to say something.
In the response, you wrote, "The only thing that matters to YOU is your own personal timeline". This can't be true. Other peoples timelines affect others. Every decision you make affects other people. You can't just worry only about your own timeline while traveling through time. That is just impossible.
Also, you said that maybe the guy would invent the Saturn V spaceship. Maybe it was meant "in the natural order of things" that someone else was supposed to invent it. That his death was the one way to prevent him from doing it. As you can tell, I am a believer in the philosophy of a natural order of things. Alternate timelines now give me something else to think about, but I am sure that I will soon come to a conclusion about that.
Thanks for listening to my babble.
Kathleen
Hello again! Sorry, evidently you and I have had a miscommunication. I'll take the blame because I didn't explain myself too well.
First, I agree 100% with you regarding the point you make about peoples' interactions and affecting each others' destinies. Hmmm... how do I clarify this? The key to the whole thing lies in your perception of everything. Reality is nothing more than a completely SUBJECTIVE experience. I've tried to cover this with some earlier respondents- possibly when you get time, you could go back and read some of them (*).
What I'm trying to say is that you are creating your own universe as you go along in life, by your conscious and unconscious decisions. Granted, you cannot do anything about an event in New Mexico at 2AM if you live in Manitoba and are asleep at that time(* or for that matter-how do you even know New Mexico is really there? OR- how do you know the street out in front of your residence is even there- UNTIL YOU HAVE TO INTERACT WITH IT?- like I had alluded to earlier in some other discussions with other respondents)- but that's just a part of your reality that's kinda like a subplot, if you will.
What I meant about your only concern being your own personal timeline was a reference to this YOU, this KATIE- not Katie 2 or Katie 49 living in a divergent reality. Remember, your existence is nothing more than a culmination of your past decisions and actions.
Also, I didn't refer to the now infamous (HA!HA!) steak eater as the inventor of the Saturn V rocket (after all, it was only 1899). I intended that an interference in what might have or would have taken place may have touched off a series of events that might one day lead to something that prevented its invention.
I hope you don't think I'm part of the Lunatic Fringe now :) At least not the Lunatic part;)*L*
Come back in anytime!
Chuck
(name)Brian P. Creech
(emailaddy)bc14738@wcuvax1.wcu.edu
Chuck,
I was the one who wrote you about explaining how quantum mechanics theoretically allows the many worlds theory. Sorry about the typo. I don't know how, but I must have deleted the preceding sentence. The guy I was talking about was a NASA astronomer whose page I ran across. I read up on what he had to say and he failed to mention the many worlds theory so I felt like filling him in. Thanks for your info and keep up the good work.
Peace,
Brian
Thanks, Brian. Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was up really late that night I responded to you and Katie above, so I think I only helped to confuse us all. Actually, I haven't even re- read my responses to you guys yet.
Anyway- appreciate it. Stop back anytime. My whole goal here is to put as many minds together as I can on the net to "beat" this subject around.
Chuck
(name)Paul Stewart
(emailaddy)p.stewart@itude.com
(location)Holland, the Netherlands (Europe)
Like you say, every posibility have happent (i avoided the dogshit now, but in a other dimention i stepped in it, even worse, in yet another dimension i fell right into the dogshit with my face, ect,ect) but what about this idea :
they all are different timeline of 1 desision/movement. WHAT IF you control the movement !? i mean all the dimensions refer to 1 center point. imagen being on the center point, you can desite EVERY (and i mean E V E R Y) thing you want !
ya can create exacly the world that you want to have. Maybe that is being a god!?
what ya think of this ?
hope to hear from ya,
Paul Stewart
I don't know if there could be a center point OR if you would be consciously aware of it if there were, but, yeah, that would be godlike. You'd certainly be master of your own destiny.
Chuck
(name)The Nuge
(emailaddy)tnuge@hotmail.com (everyone mail me!)
(location)Canada
I have been reflecting on the paralell universe idea for quite some time. Consider the following:
If you know the exact speed and position of a particle (I know you can't, but just wait till later) and you know the exact speed and position of another particle and you also know that they are in a vacum (or other type of environment where there are no external factors) you can tell with perfect certainty what the two particles will do.
Firstly, you can't know the speed and position. As you well know, the more accurately you try to measure a system the more you distrub it and therefore the worse your measurement is. However, just because we can't measure something dosen't mean that it dosen't exist! The particles DO have a position and
velocity (a vector quantity with regard to direction and speed) and they will interact with each other in a certain way. We can't predict how they will interact, but they will do so in only one way. How random is random? Not at all. Just because we can't measure something or take into account all of the
factors affecting something, dosen't mean that the action is random.
In short, my comment (somewhat muddled by now) is this:
One set of circumstances will produce only one set of results.
Imagine that God takes a snap shot off all the particles in the entire universe right now. If we knew the position and velocity of each one, we could perfectly design a future simulation of the universe. There is only one way things can happen. The universe is unfolding as it should...
Please tell me I'm wrong because this keeps me up at night. Consider this though, wouldn't a paralell universe be created for every possible motion of every possible particle? Wouldn't there have to be a universe in which there were no paralell universes created? Wouldn't there be an infinite number of them?
What I mean (again, very muddled):
If there exist situations in which every posible probability must be considered, isn't there at least one situation that is impossible?
Okay, I see what you're getting at. If everything were predetermined, micro to macro, then there would be no need for the parallel universe theory. But of course, everything is not static. In fact, there is NOTHING that is static (even a non matter like a thought will slip).Granted, a particle doesn't decide if it will do this or that, but it is possible for it to do either. That is where the random theory is based.
The "IFS" you mention are, as far as we know, not possible. As you stated yourself, even in a vacuum, a measurement would be a disturbance.
I don't believe there is even ONE situation that is impossible.
Thanks for the input!
Chuck
I dont have much time now, but i can confidently say that i have a lot of theories that i strongly believe are true. Both past and future time travel IS possible. I'll be posting more later.
P.S. what a great web-site!!!
Thanks! I'll be glad to hear from you, Peter.
Chuck
