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NAME: Pilgrim
E-MAIL ADDRESS: Zygot7@aol.com
LOCATION: Jacksonville Florida United States
DATE: JULY 7, 2002
In ordre to induce a Timetravel event in our lifetime, 09-21-02003
Has been Declared as Timetravel Day. Spread the Word, the more people that are
aware of this Date 9-21-02003 the greater the chances of success. This day will
be used as a Target Date for Future Timetravel Experiments, Thereby inducing a
sort of Pre-Destiny Safety Factor into the Activity. Timetravelers always stop
here, and so no change will result that hasn't always existed.
I Repeat TIMETRAVEL DAY IS 09-21-03 AD Tell the World
Change The World.
There's your "plug"
Chuck
NAME: Rosemary K Morrison
E-MAIL ADDRESS: blackhawk74720022002@yahoo.com
LOCATION: Towanda,Pa.
DATE: JULY 10, 2002
I think that Time Travel is very exciting and I for one would love to
travel to the past and the future.
Hi Rosemary!
You are certainly not alone. What do you think of the site? Did you read some of the responses? Any thoughts on the possibilities?
Stop back in.
Chuck
NAME: no_clue
E-MAIL ADDRESS: n0_clue@hotmail.com
LOCATION: norway
DATE: JULY 12, 2002
it'd be fun to be able to go back in time and change all the wrong things you've done in your life.. you'd have a perfect life then :) anyway i belive in several "dimensions" or whatever you want to call it, that for every choice you or anyone do, creates a new timeline. but this means that a new timeline is created everytime ANYONE makes a decision, is this right? has to be a whole lot of timelines out there then.. :) i've also read somewere that there can't be unlimited amounts of timelines or dimensions excisting at the same time for some reason. not sure whose written it or where i've read it, you know anything about this? asnyway, well written .
Hi NC.
Yes, a new timeline WOULD BE CREATED each time ANYONE makes a decision. But, it wouldn't matter to anyone but them- it's a SUBJECTIVE experience that wouldn't affect anyone but themselves!
Thanks for the post.
Chuck
NAME: Mark Harris
E-MAIL ADDRESS: markh110@hotmail.com
LOCATION: Australia,Victoria
DATE: JULY 12, 2002
I serched with the key word "Timetravel" and ended up with you.
When you read different books and movies, they mix things up. Some say that you can go back and re-live the time. Others say you go back in time as a seperate "you".
Personaly, I think if time travel could be invented, you would re-live the time. For a start, matter can't just appear out of nowhere, it has to exist before the new timeline is created. Secondly, time can't be duplacated because time is movement which means things have to happen but using the same time while the original thing is moving means your using more matter than what existed originaly. But if you argue the matter already existed but wasn't being used, then your wrong. Matter can't fill an empty space which doesn't exist. On the other hand, if you re-live the time, then you are using the same matter which already exists. So it's only logical that matter can't suddenly exist if it didn't exist in the first place. Thirdly, there is no space in the universe that can fit more matter or time. On the other other hand, going against re-living the moment, who says it has to fit in this space, or even this dimention, or even the world!? On the other other other hand, back again siding with re-living the moment, are there really other dimentions, or universes?
Has anyone acctualy been warped to one of these strange worlds? Do they even exist? If a portal has acctualy been opened, has someone even brought back proof?
Anyway, back to timetravel. Putting all my theories together, what do you think? Will timetravel even be invented? Only time will tell...(Dum dum dum!) ;)
Thanks.
P.S. Please e-mail me back and tell me what you think.
P.P.S. If possible, please address the e-mail: "Re:Timetravel theories" so I don't get it mixed with junk mail.
Thanks ;)
Mark Harris.
Hey there, Mark!
I'm glad you found us on the search.
Yes, of course writers mix things up. No one really knows, so there's all of those ideas. Who knows what's right or wrong.
I have a question for you; how could you re-live TIME? What about consciousness? Or better put, memory? You couldn't actually be reliving it, unless memory is somehow erased. But you do open thoughts up to a good point (or question)- what if we don't live out our existence linearally. That is to say, how do we know that our consciousness isn't "turned on" randomly- something like HOYLE'S PIGEONHOLES?
As far as your talk of matter accounted for at any one point in time- there's a lot of discussion about that on some earlier TIMETRAVEL RESPONSES pages on this site. I don't have TIME :) to look them up right now, but click HERE if you wish to read them. THANKS a lot for your post & stop back any time!!!
Chuck
NAME: Mark Harris
E-MAIL ADDRESS: markh110@hotmail.com
LOCATION: Australia, Victoria
DATE: JULY 14, 2002
In reply to a part of your reply to my previous response, you say that we can't actually re-live time without having our memory somehow erased. And if you think about it, you would do everything exactly as was done up 'til the point you went back in time which means you'd go back in time again, get amneisa again, re-re-live your life, get zaped back yet again...ect. And yet, I don't get it. For what reson would our minds have to be reset? It's true you're going backwards, but wouldn't it be bringing the actual mind that had been in the future to the past. Isn't is like leaving a lab that is studing Mark I, going to another lab and picking up Mark II , and going back to the origianl lab to replace Mark I with Mark II? Wouldn't our minds work like that when traveling through time?
Anyway, I have a question for you, tell me what you think. Would it be possible to communicate through time? Personaly, I think it would be imposible because in the original time you were zapped from, your matter must exist because matter cannot be destroyed or created so when you come back, wouldn't you have to come at the exact moment you left so you would still "be there" all along?
Along these lines, I'd say it would be impossible to communicate through time because wouldn't all of time except the person you are communicating with have to be frozen? What do you think? Any way, keep up the good work and I hope my theories get you thinking!
Welcome back in, Mark. What we're talking about is along the lines of what Fred Hoyle wrote about; the possibilities of non-linear time and consciousness or perceptions of our reality. He postulated a super conciousness that is controlling reality merely by observation. Have you read about the pigeon holes or heard of the "spouse of the day" theory? Of course it's all conjecture, but what in theorizing isn't?
Just briefly, the pigeon hole "theory" goes this way:
THESE ARE TEMPORAL PIGEONHOLES. Sir Fred Hoyle once stated that our perception of time is a "grotesque and absurd illusion". We single out what we call the present as a special point in time and that is what brought him to think about pigeon holes (I don't have a clue what a pigeon hole is- I just picture a wall of "peep holes" in my mind). He says that EVERYTHING that was and EVERYTHING that will be are in existence at all times. All information and existence are in this massive wall of pigeon holes. EACH ONE represents the "present". Imagine that reality is written on a notepage for each present moment in time. The holes are all numbered to be distinguishable from one another. EACH HOLE CONTAINS INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOLES LOWER THAN IT (history- or timeline culmination, if you will) A cosmic "postman" looks into one of the holes and "witnesses" the events of that present moment. The holes below it represent the past or "presents" before in linear time. The holes above represent the future. The cosmic postman OBSERVES (SUBJECTIVELY, I MIGHT ADD) that the description of lower holes (the past) are accurate when peering in the present holes, but vague and sometimes contradictory when describing higher holes (the future). Now we further imagine that these pigeon holes represent your consciousness and each time the cosmic postman observes you in any given pigeon hole you become aware.
See what we're getting at here? This is what makes up you- your reality. You remember your past, experience your present and speculate or wonder ( but don't remember or know) about your future (the higher up holes). This is a "lead" into of what I've been trying to get across in last 25 pages of TIMETRAVEL RESPONSES here on this site. EVERYTHING IS A SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE WHEN IT CONCERNING YOU AND YOUR PERSONAL REALITY!!!
The "cosmic postman" may very well look into any hole at any given time (in his existence) because he is OUTSIDE time as you experience it. We may not live our lives linearally at all and not even be aware of it. You may have accurately remembered next month last week!
If there was only a way to tap into this superconsciousness which may lie outside our perception of TIME!
The answer must be somewhere between western science and eastern philosophy.
Chuck
you seem to know a whole lot about this subject, you wouldnt know any good books about it? not novels or anything like that but theories about the subject.
you probably have some recommendations on your page, but i havent had the time to look yet, hope you have the time to reply, and if you have even more time maybe you have links or sumtin to describe some books like that :)
anyways..thanks :)
Hello again, NC.
I do have some recommendations posted somewhere within the replies, but I'm not sure where. Anyway, I can suggest some that I usually do:
"PARALLEL UNIVERSES" by Fred Alan Wolf
"HYPERSPACE" by Michio Kaku
"ABOUT TIME" by Paul Davies
"TIME WARPS" by John Gribbin
The last one is an older book that is more than likely out of print, but if you can find a copy in an old book store- it would be worth the search.
Hope you find those.
Welcome back in.
Chuck
NAME: Dominick
E-MAIL ADDRESS: DOMINICK@YAHOO.COM
LOCATION: Long Island NY.
DATE: JULY 16, 2002
I use to think just like you.Just a little note about me I belive in God.
And i think that when you have a BEING who allways Has bin here AS the Bible
put's it (from everlasting to everlasting)then one must conciter that there
realy is no time.I think that with God everything is in the present.and that all
human events are before him continuely Sure we have season and a 24 hour
clock.but everything just melts into one big eternal present.the dust on the
moon.has it bin there for billons of years,or was it put there a few moments ago
by our hevenly father.When you starthd reading my e-mail how much of your world
change?verry little right.Every moment release it's self to the present Any
memoreys that we have is so that we learn and grow and everything that we
remember is right here in the presence with us.thank you for hearing me.
yours truly
Dominick Colosi
Hi Dominick,
I don't believe in religion, but a super consciousness isn't out of my scope of acceptance or "possible" belief- SEE MY POST ABOVE TO MARK HARRIS. Hopefully, it may make some sense to you inserting GOD in place of the "cosmic postman" analogy.
Thanks for your post, Dominick!
Chuck
NAME: Andrew Clemitson
E-MAIL ADDRESS: A_clemitson@hotmail.com
LOCATION: Cardiff, Wales, UK, Europe
DATE: JULY 19, 2002
I am currently writing a story (fanfic) set in the Harry Potter Universe.
Events in his final year begin to unfold normally for him with little odd
occurences happening, (will be explained shortly).
Towards the end of the school year he is sent back approximately sixteen years
using an ancient piece of technology (don't worry the technology is due to the
trip back).
Upon arriving in the past he then proceeds to "setup" little things (by means of
a trusted solicitor to carry out set instructions) which ultimatley lead to the
"little odd occurences" through out his previous year.
Would it feasable to say that these events were destined to occur or that two
time line existed.
I have spoken with another "expert" and he purposed two separate timelines but
the first one had another different person to setup the "little things".
Opinions to the e-mail address
Hi Andrew,
I don't think you have as much a problem of free will vs. determinism as you do a closed loop of temporal causality. The "little odd occurences" are apparently deterministic and if they're good occurences could fall under the category of a "free lunch" paradox. Just my opinion, of course. I sure do wish you success with your story. It sounds like fun! Thanks for stopping in and... "strain your brain"!! HA! HA!
Chuck
NAME: Laura F
E-MAIL ADDRESS: BD71957@aol.com
DATE: JULY 28, 2002
I too have pondered this subject since childhood. And throughout my twenties was convinced there was what I call a vortex on the planet. I have been in two different states in this country on a dirt road and had the distinct sensation the road was moving backwards fast. Once I was in my twenties, once I was a child.I have contemplated the thought of the beginning and the end of the universe, at what point do we not exist and come up with paradox. In my Thirties I became a Buddhist and have studied thier beliefs.
While they do not discuss time travel as such, the belief in reincarnation and awareness in other realms that co-exist, seems to me to indicate a belief in some form of time travel. They even believe in bilocation of an enlightened being. It is as if at that level time does not really exist.
Then there is Karma or cause and effect. They do not think that an effect will take place right away but could occure many lifetimes later. So if there is no direct timeline of cause and effect, perhaps this is why if you go back a day in your past and change something it would not immediately play out, in the way you planned. In other words we do not have control over effect in a specific way. I know I am talking about incidents on the same time line, but I sense the buddhists would not think it necessary to have more than one, if you catch my drift.
Anyway I have enjoyed talking about this, as a child i knew no one that believed or thought about this topic, and was thought wierd. It is refreshing to find links, of course these days this thought is quite common. But no one in my current circle commonly discusses it.
Thanks,
Laura
Hi Laura. Thanks for your thoughts. I think that most everyone thinks about TIMETRAVEL. How could anyone not be fascinated by the implications?
Sounds like you've had a brush with a "reality shift or two"! As far as the religion thing; I can't address that as I don't believe in a religion either positive or negative.
There is, of course, direct cause and effect in a timeline. You experience and create that every day of your existence. Your post CAUSE(D) the EFFECT of my reply to you here.
You said you liked the links. I hope you added them to your favorites. It's the largest that you'll find on the planet!
Thanks for taking the time to post. You're welcome in any time, Laura!
Chuck
NAME: Alex Comerford
E-MAIL ADDRESS: schwindyboo@yahoo.com
LOCATION:
DATE: JULY 28, 2002
no need to be sorry about the reply being late, i have just come back from holiday myself! I have been looking forward to your reply mucho :-)
i must agree ure example of the last episode of voyager was short, but sums it up quite well, hehe.
i think (and i may be signing my own death warrant saying this) but all of it comes down to creation. and i guess well never really know how everything started ever. i got this idea from reading 'mort' by terry pratchett when on my holiday. if u havnt read it, death gives mort a weading present of, 'reality' or something like that. he says wen our universe runs out of the stuff that it will explode and create a new one.
we need to find the creator/curator of the universe then and ask him, lol.
thanks again, and i hope u have understood me, hehe.
PS- i agree with ure bottom line
Hi again, Alex. I'm glad you understood that short VOYAGER example. I re-read it after your reference to it and thought maybe there wasn't enough elaboration. Oh well, anyway, I haven't read that book you mentioned so I can't comment on that. Yeah, the bottom line is the most important, for sure.
Thanks for posting back, Alex.
TTYL.
Chuck
NAME: Ned
E-MAIL ADDRESS: mordeth2002@hotmail.com
LOCATION: Australia
Hi, I'm currently doing metaphysics in first year university and we're studying time travel. What we are learning seems to contradict a lot of what you have written on your site. The idea of multiple universes branching out is almost always discounted for being rediculous, otherwise we would literally have an infinite number of uniferses being created every moment and an infinite number branching of every one of those. (whenever a theory encounters infinity in its conclusion it is either rejected or modified). If multiple universes arent a reality, then think about this. That JFK was shot is a known fact about the universe. To say that you went back in time and stopped him from being killed would mean that JFK was killed and that JFK was not killed. This is a contradiction and cannot occur.
The conclusion that can be drawn from this is that if time travel is possible, you are unable to alter the past. Your actions may actually have helped shaped the past to bring them! about to how they were, but they cannot have altered the past from a different "version." The unsetling conclusion that can next be made is of course that if we cannot change the past, we cannot alter the future. It is just that we dont know how it will turn out. By the way this is all considered by many philosophers to be correct, and the alternate views are generally the minority as the text we use just glosses over them. I'm sorry if this upsets the romantic notions of time travel and you may still disagree with me, but if you find the right book, you will see that the logic is sound
Welcome, Ned. Of course I disagree with you, but you know- "that's what makes the world go 'round" and "variety is the spice of life" and so on. If we all believed or liked the exact same things, it would be a pretty boring world and not much would get accomplished.
Your example of the JFK assasination, however, is nearly contradictory if I understand you correctly. You are speaking of a simple paradox, which branching timelines or many worlds would circumvent. Obviously, paradox couldn't be possible if parallel universes could be. In that, I agree.
It's GREAT to hear your class is actually studying TIMETRAVEL. Certainly your profs are aware that is has been accomplished several times now (with information-not living or inanimate matter), first at Cologne University in Germany. There is some very promising work being done by Professor Ron Mallet with LIGHT and MATTER currently. And BTW- a disproving of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is gaining acceptance in the quantum physics community as well. The point is -we, as a species know pretty much nothing so far & there's always more to learn- no matter how much we think we know. Technology and theory are beginning to come together on an exponential scale right now! SOME QUOTES FOR YOU:
"Certainly science has moved forward. But when science progresses, it often opens vaster mysteries to our gaze. Moreover, science frequently discovers that it must abandon or modify what it once believed. Sometimes it ends by accepting what it has previously scorned."
Prof. Loren C. Eiseley, University of Pennsylvania
"There is no conversation more boring than the one where everybody agrees."
Michael de Montaigne
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
Charles Duell, U.S. Patent Office (circa 1899)
"Who wants to hear actors talk?"
--H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927.
"We don't like their sound. Groups of guitars are on the way out."
--Decca executive, 1962, after turning down the Beatles.
"While theoretically and technically television may be feasible,
commercially and financially it is an impossibility."
--Lee DeForest, inventor
"I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's
falling on his face and not Gary Cooper."
--Gary Cooper, after turning down
the lead role in Gone With The Wind.
"There will never be a bigger plane built."
--A Boeing engineer, after the first flight of the 247,
a twin engine plane that carried ten people.
"Ours has been the first, and doubtless to be
the last, to visit this profitless locality."
-- Lt. Joseph Ives after visiting the Grand Canyon in 1861.
"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear
energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that
the atom would have to be shattered at will."
-- Albert Einstein, 1932
"It will be years--not in my time--before
a woman will become Prime Minister."
--Margaret Thatcher, 1974
"With over 50 foreign cars already on sale here, the Japanese auto
industry isn't likely to carve out a big slice of the US market."
--Business Week, August 2, 1968
"Computers may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, 1949
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
--Ken Olson, president of Digital Equipment Corp. 1977
"This telephone' has too many shortcomings to be
seriously considered as a means of communication."
--Western Union memo, 1876
"No imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for
a message sent to nobody in particular?"
--David Sarnoff's associates in response to his
urging investment in the radio in the 1920's.
"Market research reports say America likes crispy cookies,
not soft and chewy cookies like you make."
--Response to Debbi Fields' idea of Mrs. Fields' Cookies
"We don't need you. You haven't got through college yet."
--Hewlett Packard excuse to Steve Jobs, who founded Apple Computers instead.
"I think there's a world market for about five computers."
--Thomas J. Watson, chairman of the board of IBM.
"The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives."
--Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project.
"Airplanes are interesting toys, but they
are of no military value whatsoever."
--Marechal Ferdinand Fock, Professor
of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre
"Stocks have reached a permanently high plateau."
--Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929
"No matter what happens, the U.S. Navy
is not going to be caught napping."
--U.S. Secretary of Navy, December 4, 1941
"Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines
are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax."
--William Thomson, Lord Kelvin English scientist, 1899
of course, people are more careful of what they say these days and are much more open minded! ;) YEAH, RIGHT!!!
Thanks for stopping by, Ned-and keep an open mind! HA!HA!-> post back in whenever you like!
Chuck
