(name)They call me Buster Jiggs
(emailaddy)GMMJE1
(location)The desert of SW Arizona
Well Pardner, been trekin' across the land a long time now. And I reckon I was birthed 'bout 150 years to late.
I take great delignt in dressin' in the styles of the early ta late 1800's. Always had a feelin' I been back in that time.
I don't see why it ain't possible ta travel backward. An' the way I look at it, I don't think, if'n ya did get back to the past, you could change it. Ya see if it's already happened, ya ain't gonna change it cause ya ain't from that time period. What someone from another time period does will not effect the past.
But hey whata I know.Know anbody with a time machine that's set fer 'bout 1850.
Ride light, shoot straight and keep an eye on yer backtrail. Live long and prosper!
Buster Jiggs
Well, you and I are about 360 degrees out.
I wanted to be born about 150 years from now, trekin' acros the galaxy, pullng into spacedock periodically for a barium sweep-kinda like ridin' into town for supplies and to knock the dust off, y'know. But, dadburnit, we're not in KANSAS!
But seriously, thanks for the stop, hombre!
Chuck
(name)Ensign Yu
(emailaddy)ensignyu@hotmail.com
(location)Earth
What if 'time travel' is really just hopping into another
universe. They say that there are infinate universes out there
each slightly different. And for some, they are a different time.
So, essentially, you jump into another universe and if you
accidently blow up that universe, no matter since it won'taffect you.
-The Ensign :-)
By Golly, I think you've got it!
GLAD TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN, OLD FRIEND!!!
Chuck
(name)edward m stephenson
(emailaddy)eastephenson@webtv.net
(location)hutchinson kansas
I NEED TIME TRAVEL NOT FOR FINANCIAL GAIN BUT TO CHANGE EVENTS OF MY LIFE.
YOU SEE I LOST MY TEN YEAR OLD SON DECEMBER 10 NINE DAYS BEFORE HIS BIRTHDAY,TWO WEEKS BEFORE CHISTMASS.
IF I COULD CHANGE THE PRESENT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD GIVE UP MY LIFE FOR MY SON
We live for our children, so believe me when I convey my condolences and sincere sympathy to you, sir.
Chuck
(name)jack
(emailaddy)hot4u911@hotmail.com
(location)mars
it's cool and i can use for my research paper.thank you.
My pleasure.
Chuck
(name)Ashley Hendrix
(emailaddy)hendrixxx28@hotmail.com
(location)Vancouver,Canada
Hmmmmmm.....I'll get back to you.
Please do. We'll be here!
Chuck
(name)gary
(emailaddy)STLhorse66@aol.com
(location)san jose ca
ok if i dream... in other time frames, such as the pioneer days what is that considered.
Im often confused at the reason why i dream like this.I will have a dream of riding on a old train, and vividly remember all componenets of it and how it looked rode and smelled inside.I can remember places to which i can say ive never been.images that an artist can not paint because of so much detail.
well time travel i believe is possible, but our brains our so trained in simple thinging that we are blind.its like using this comp i use it to my benefit .....i do not know the limits to it and where it can take me.
so please intridge me with more of your ideas thanks
Well, Gary, as I had mentioned to Jeni above, I think a lot of us spend time in very familiar surroundings when we dream, some part of us, anyway -if sideways, why not in the past or a possible future. In your situation, maybe a bit of re-incarnation pops in. I don't think there is actual re-incarnaton as it is thought of and "defined" today. I think it could be something along the lines of a superconscious we all possess, but are unaware of at this level of existence - possibly something at a non timelinear state (outside our perception of time). After all, what the heck is that conscious and strange experience we call Deja Vu? Maybe it's a brief slip allowing us to remember the future- as in all times exist simultaneously. Or maybe, it's an instantaneous (and brief) oneness with some superconscious.
WHICH BRINGS UP MORE QUESTIONS:
What determines the intervals between these experiences?
Why is the duration of these experiences always different?
Did we dream about these future events and remember them as they are happening?
Are tachyons traveling on electrical impulses within our brains?
Thanks for the input!:)
Chuck
(name)Who Knows?
(location)Temporal Impossibility Metaphysical Entropy (TIME) group
"Your response here has certainly given ME a lot more to consider.
Yes, I agree that any number of the same individual could occupy the same timeline. But, in reality, the instant they began to interact, they become DIFFERENT individuals. They are no longer a culmination of the same experiences.
Granted, the differences would be small, probably unnoticeable, but the longer time spent in this situation, the more the variance would be."
I agree.
Like in Star Trek, where William Riker gets cloned in a transporter accident. Tom Riker, his clone, was quite different than him
(DS9 episode where he tricks Kira and steals the Defiant.)
Yes, it's sorta like the same thing, the same person, split, with the same memories up to the split, then different experiences. Thanks for pointing that out! I hadn't considered about how close that situation was to what I was talking about (TNG "Second Chances""), AND no timetravel involved!
Chuck
(name)Paul Jeffreys
(emailaddy)paulj@pavilion.net
(location)Brighton, UK
A lot of the paradox problems on time travel also deal with the idea that two individuals can't exist at the same time. As everyone is made of atoms this is actually saying that atom 'a' and a future or past version of atom 'a' can't co-exist.
If they can then there's no real theoretical difference between time travelling and encountering yourself or going back 65 million years before humanitity even existed because the same atoms that make 'you' exist in both times.
A person in this situation is only a conceptual name for an organised structure of atoms so you would be able to meet yourself the same way you could look at the fern in the Jurassic that has an oxygen atom which is in your fingernail.
Does this make sense?
Therefore timetravel on this level is actually atomic shuffling.
Going back reduces the amount of atoms in your 'present' and increases them in the 'past' or 'future'.
This is getting into the 'What is now?' question again but turning it into 'How does an atom experience time?'. I think thats the central core of the time travel/paradox problem and I can't see a simple answer to that question.
I agree that time line splitting seems the best way to encompass this problem. On an atomic scale though this means trillions of identical time lines with the only change being the movement of a helium atom in a balloon. In all these various options there must also be some where you come back and (to use your example) John does get his money from the metal box.
Hmm....
If atoms can't co-exist then the only way to time travel is to go to a universe or period where none of the particles that make you are there. There's only two times in this universe where that could occur before the Big Bang and after the end of the universe. However time as we know it is said to not exist in both
these situations. Damn!
An idea that comes out of this 'atom shuffling' though is the Big Bang may have been caused by a timetraveller party 18 billion years ago (all those particles had to come from somewhere).
And could the end of the universe be when too many atoms go back so the universe evaporates or go forward so you get the BigCrunch.
I think this is when you get into paradox on a universal scale.
HELP!
WHEW!!! EXCELLENT THINKING!
There's a lot to address here.
A lot of the "answers" lie first in our definition of duplication. But that just brings up another disturbing question; Can an atom be duplicated? I don't think it is necessary.
If all realtime exists simultaneously, then timetravel or alternate universe creation or the multiverse would not necessitate it.
Interaction of an assembly of identical atoms that make up a sentient being would be beyond our present understanding and I would be hard pressed to explain how you could stand in the same room and talk with a past or future version of yourself.
I do believe that as I sit here and type this within the four known coordinates of space and time that I now occupy that it is "booked" for eternity. Meaning, I'll choose to "have my cake and eat it too" on this one. I do believe that all times exist forever up to the present in my universe and further that my future is not predetermined, that all atoms originated at the Big Bang, and that the atoms that make up the "star stuff" from which we are made, are already compensated for (in all dimensions). So, yes, one group (of atoms) could leave one set of coordinates, creating a void (accounted for)and join itself at another set of coordinates, creating a "duplication" (accounted for). Our feeble human minds jut can't grasp the big picture, is all.
Confused? I certainly am.
It all comes down to this anyway- THE LAWS OF PHYSICS DO NOT PRECLUDE THE POSSIBILITY OF TIMETRAVEL, so I am convinced it is simply a matter of engineering and time (no pun intended) before humans find a way to harness the massive energies necessary (or another way) to make it a reality. Fifty years ago putting a man on the Moon was Science Fiction, twenty short years later, it was Science Fact. EVEN MORE INCREDIBLE is that it was accomplished ONLY SIX YEARS after we set our minds to it!
Thanks for posting!
Chuck
(name)dale robinson
(emailaddy)dale@i-star.com
(location)oscoda mi
i beleave our under mining gov. has been exp. with timetravel and they have opened a porthole they cannot control
And what would make you believe that?
Chuck
(name)Daymon Ashtral
(emailaddy)experimyns@technologist.com
(location)St.Petersburg, Florida
This is a subject that greatly interests me only for the fact that I think it is more than possible.
For the record, the planet Earth has evolved into a more
higher sense of technology. We have proven to ourselves than many things are possible. We have made many things possible
In my opinion, time travel can be achieved, but only in the far off future. We must allow ourselves the time to develop the knowledge it takes to travel through time.
I also think that time travel to the future is not possible. This is because the future hasnt yet happened! Say for instance i wanted to travel even 2 minutes into the future. If I did that I think that it would be nothing but a black void for 2 minutes. You see if someone were to travel to the future that one person would probably be lost in time. Time may not even exist. If one were to travel to where time has no existence then he/she must wait for time to reach them.
In laymens terms, there is nothing in the future until we make it. One cannot make a future merely by traveling forward in time. Therefore they would have to wait for the present to move to the future making the future the present.
On the other hand, traveling to the past is well in our grasp. The past is already there, its been writtin and lived in already. So if one were to travel to the past it could very well be possible. Its like walking out of your house, leaving everything in the same place, then walking back inside to find
everything exactly where you left it. Do you understand?
On the subject of possibly running into yourself while in the past, yes that can also happen, but let me explain.
If one were to travel back in time and run into thierself it
would turn into a possibly traumatic experience for the one that lives in the past. This is possibly fact, because think about it, if you went back in time, then saw your past entity, and you past entity saw the one from the future, the past would not know how to comprehend the situation.
Past time travel could
also result in an inevitable paradox. Even if one does not change any major course of history, we are all conected to the same continuum. Thus meaning that one minor alterization effects us all in the long run. This would set off a chain of events that would lead to different outcomes in many situations resulting in a change of the world and whats in "writting".
If you or anyone who reads this message would like to talk more on this subject, feel free to e-mail me at -- experimyns@technologist.com --[DEL] for
theoretical discussion........Thank you.
Always a pleasure to read such a positive outlook. Yes, I agree with your beliefs about the future not being "written" yet- I cite my chair analogy.
And yes, I understand and agree with your analogy about walking out of the house and back in.
But I think that, in alternate timelines, time may "flow" or be perceived at a different rate- of course the version of you there won't know any difference, as this you wouldn't know it in the here and now.
What I'm getting at is- a short "sideways" excursion. I think any futureward travel will have to have some "sideways" element. Otherwise, destiny is predetermined. Obviously, neither of us believe that.
All said, I agree with you. A moment in this timeline's future SIMPLY HASN'T HAPPENED YET!
Thanks so much for the reponse, Daymon!
Chuck
